What products you'd like to see WiiM produce?

[Wiimer]

Hi Team,

We are excited to announce the upcoming WiiM Pro Plus, designed with a focus on significantly enhancing audio quality, reducing total system cost, and simplifying system setup compared to the current WiiM Pro.

Our ambition is to create a product that meets the needs of 90% of WiiM streamer users, eliminating the need for an external DAC. Here's a quick overview of the value propositions that WiiM Pro Plus brings to the table:

1. Simplified System: Connect directly to your amplifier or powered speaker, no external DAC required.
2. Superior Audio Quality: Comparable to a WiiM Pro connected to an external DAC (up to $500 in price).
3. Cost-Effective: Save on the costs of an external DAC and cables.
4. Enhanced Analog Input Quality: Improved audio quality for analog input sources such as TVs, record players, or MP3 players.
5. Compatibility Solutions: Resolves issues with certain low-end DACs that struggle with clock handling, variable sample rate/bit depth, or don't support up to 24-bit/192kHz digital input.

We hope these enhancements align with your expectations and needs. We welcome your feedback and comments on these upcoming features. Thank you for your continued support!

I think the fifth point is very important.

Pro+ will also discover potential customers who don't yet own DACs. The number of its customers is overwhelmingly higher than that of those who own DACs (and Pro owners). For example, if people who are streaming with wireless earbuds decide to get started with home audio, Pro+ is the best choice.

 

[Achim1811]

Pro+ is the best choice.

As already the vintage WiiM Pro was

 

[steadyshot]

I would argue it will have a better dac than the internal of integrateds around 1000 euro

 

[Brantome]

For example, if people who are streaming with wireless earbuds decide to get started with home audio, Pro+ is the best choice.

Would people with wireless earbuds notice the difference between the DACs if they’re ultimately piping the output over a lossy codec like Bluetooth, and not the best Bluetooth codec at that?

 

[Achim1811]

@steadyshot
"better" is always related to one's own definition. Of course you can go with measuring certain aspects, as many do. But if a specific item meets exact your wishes can only be decided by your own ears. One should expect "better" when "more expensive". In many cases this calculation works, but indeed not always.
And in the case of the Pro+ its not very likely that the manufacturers will give us information how the price is puzzled together. You can check the price of a certain chip, but that is to simple and short-jumped.
If the DAC in your integrated amp pleases you let all be as it is. If not, try the Pro+.
It would be not so expensive that one is forced to change his complete life-standard.

 

[Wiimer]

Would people with wireless earbuds notice the difference between the DACs if they’re ultimately piping the output over a lossy codec like Bluetooth, and not the best Bluetooth codec at that?

Sorry, I may not understand what you say.

It is not about connecting bluetooth earphones to the Pro+. If you only have wireless earbuds and want to start home audio (with speakers and amplifiers, or active speakers) at home, the Pro+ is a very easy way to go.

 

[steadyshot]

@steadyshot
"better" is always related to one's own definition. Of course you can go with measuring certain aspects, as many do. But if a specific item meets exact your wishes can only be decided by your own ears. One should expect "better" when "more expensive". In many cases this calculation works, but indeed not always.
And in the case of the Pro+ its not very likely that the manufacturers will give us information how the price is puzzled together. You can check the price of a certain chip, but that is to simple and short-jumped.
If the DAC in your integrated amp pleases you let all be as it is. If not, try the Pro+.
It would be not so expensive that one is forced to change his complete life-standard.

Agreed! Let’s see

 

[Wiimer]

As already the vintage WiiM Pro was

And Mini is a World Heritage

 

[Brantome]

Sorry, I may not understand what you say.

It is not about connecting bluetooth earphones to the Pro+. If you only have wireless earbuds and want to start home audio (with speakers and amplifiers, or active speakers) at home, the Pro+ is a very easy way to go.

Fair enough if you’re looking for a system you can later build upon, I was merely suggesting that using wireless earbuds wouldn’t get the best out of either the pro or pro plus

 

[D1N0]

As long I can still use it with an external DAC I'm fine with it. Don't use analogue input, I do use the toslink input (TV/Chromecast sound into the WIIM). For my use case I would benefit from power supply/implementation upgrades (currently using the (Ifi iPower X) and clocking upgrades and/or USB connectivity to a DAC with proper filtering of EM noise over the connection. In other words, making it more audiophile.

 

[ehowarth]

HDMI eARC to connect a TV and use its remote to control volume...along with faster auto sensing of a switch from network and to physical input

 

[Achim1811]

As long I can still use it with an external DAC I'm fine with it. Don't use analogue input, I do use the toslink input (TV/Chromecast sound into the WIIM). For my use case I would benefit from power supply/implementation upgrades (currently using the (Ifi iPower X) and clocking upgrades and/or USB connectivity to a DAC with proper filtering of EM noise over the connection. In other words, making it more audiophile.

With you in almost every point. What I do not use is a TV connection to the WiiM. For my needs a Sonos Soundbar does the job properly, it is more for voices than for music. And here the speakers from my stereo are to far away from the TV, it sounds weird. One personal footnote: In your last line my version would be more "highfidele"

 

[Mr Ee]

Cost-Effective: Save on the costs of an external DAC and cables.

If I were to be really picky...
I'm assuming the pro + will come with optical and rca leads, like the mini and pro do, so... no additional cables required.

Comparable to a WiiM Pro connected to an external DAC (up to $500 in price).

Bold statement, and I'm assuming USD.
The way it's written implies, to me, that the $500 is for just the dac - that buys quite a lot of dac!


Unfortunately, if anything like the pro, it'll be many months before the + hits the underworld (Australia), so I couldn't wait, and got another pro and an external dac a week ago instead

Good luck with it though!

 

[Brantome]

If I were to be really picky...
I'm assuming the pro + will come with optical and rca leads, like the mini and pro do, so... no additional cables required.

Maybe it won't come with the optical and rca cables as that would arguably undermine their assertion...

Bold statement, and I'm assuming USD.
The way it's written implies, to me, that the $500 is for just the dac - that buys quite a lot of dac!

Yeah, it is bold but who knows? Even if you partnered your Pro with an entry level Topping or Schitt DAC that would set you back at least 150GBP (plus cables) so if the Pro Plus with remote comes in at around 220GBP, you'd be saving half of that cost.

 

[planetti]

I would like to see an optional tiny little receiver box, low cost
for BT and/or Wifi, with low latency protocol
which only receives the music data from our WiiM and provides a spdif/coaxial and/or RCA output (implemented in individual lines: Digital-box or DAC-box or All-box),
to be used as easy wireless cable to active speakers or subwoofers, or to a setup in another room (only wifi).

It would be wonderful, when our WiiMpro can address more of these boxes separately, including delay, volume (individual volume and a volume linked to main volume) and sound processing (e.g.PEQs).

For audiophil ears there could be an advanced version providing a PSSR modul, supercap, a precision clock, additional AES and/or XLR outputs via high level DAC-Chip in a solid casing.

 

[Wiimer]

I would like to see an optional tiny little receiver box, low cost
for BT and/or Wifi, with low latency protocol
which only receives the music data from our WiiM and provides a spdif/coaxial and/or RCA output (implemented in individual lines: Digital-box or DAC-box or All-box),
to be used as easy wireless cable to active speakers or subwoofers, or to a setup in another room (only wifi).

It would be wonderful, when our WiiMpro can address more of these boxes separately, including delay, volume (individual volume and a volume linked to main volume) and sound processing (e.g.PEQs).

For audiophil ears there could be an advanced version providing a PSSR modul, supercap, a precision clock, additional AES and/or XLR outputs via high level DAC-Chip in a solid casing.

Hi,
I may not understand your post, but I think your reference to "tiny little receiver box" correctly refers to the WiiM Pro.

In other words, if you buy another WiiM Pro, one of your wishes will come true, right?

 

[Achim1811]

Hi,
I may not understand your post, but I think your reference to "tiny little receiver box" correctly refers to the WiiM Pro.

In other words, if you buy another WiiM Pro, one of your wishes will come true, right?

Wanted to be not again the first
Exactly my opinion. The answer for your tiny little box is the WiiM Pro.
But I can not withstand a question. Are "audiophile ears" a severe disease?

 

[planetti]

Hi,
I may not understand your post, but I think your reference to "tiny little receiver box" correctly refers to the WiiM Pro.

In other words, if you buy another WiiM Pro, one of your wishes will come true, right?

Even smaller, without much computing capacity, limited intelligence, only a servant receiving data, plug and play, and specialised for playing data with no delay.
This of course makes only sense when the hardware in the WiiMs for computing and sending is cost intensive, and the low cost box will be about 60 bucks instead of cables.

 

[D1N0]

Chromecast Audio, used.

 

[dannep018]

Hi Team,

We are excited to announce the upcoming WiiM Pro Plus, designed with a focus on significantly enhancing audio quality, reducing total system cost, and simplifying system setup compared to the current WiiM Pro.

Our ambition is to create a product that meets the needs of 90% of WiiM streamer users, eliminating the need for an external DAC. Here's a quick overview of the value propositions that WiiM Pro Plus brings to the table:

1. Simplified System: Connect directly to your amplifier or powered speaker, no external DAC required.
2. Superior Audio Quality: Comparable to a WiiM Pro connected to an external DAC (up to $500 in price).
3. Cost-Effective: Save on the costs of an external DAC and cables.
4. Enhanced Analog Input Quality: Improved audio quality for analog input sources such as TVs, record players, or MP3 players.
5. Compatibility Solutions: Resolves issues with certain low-end DACs that struggle with clock handling, variable sample rate/bit depth, or don't support up to 24-bit/192kHz digital input.

We hope these enhancements align with your expectations and needs. We welcome your feedback and comments on these upcoming features. Thank you for your continued support!

Do you have any knowledge in when this will be released?
Maybe Q1 2024?